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"Nickel" <nickel_deja@yahoo.com.hk> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:465302cc$1@127.0.0.1...
> ­»´äªº±Ð¬ì®Ñ¦n¹³¨S¦³´£°_¹L³o­Ó¤H, ¥H¤@¼Ä´X¦Ê -
>
> Maj. John Robert Osborn
>
> http://imdb.com/title/tt0386064/board/thread/64340965?d=67001046&p=1#67001046
>
> I understand your point, probably because you phrased it far more
> eloquently
> than the OP. I agree to an extent, but personally, at least in this case,
> I
> found the scene to be more... emotional than contrived. The other thing I
> found was that this movie, for the most part, did a very good job of
> showing
> how people 'really die' in war, that is, suddenly, messily, and
> tragically.
> For the most part. The thing is that often times, individuals do make last
> stands of that kind, in which they are able to kill or wound a truly
> unbelievable number of enemy soldiers single handedly, and quite often
> they
> die in the act. For instance, in the Korean War there was an American
> soldier (Cpl. Tibor Rubin) who did this exact thing several times, on one
> occasion singlehandedly holding a hill with a machine gun against an
> entire
> comany (150-200) of enemy soldiers for 24 hours without reinforcement,
> eventually forcing them to retreat. He survived, but there are countless
> examples of the opposite, such as a soldier in world war two in the battle
> of Hong Kong (Sgt.Maj. John Robert Osborn) who, also using a machine gun,
> allowed his unit to retreat while holding off several hundred japanese
> soldiers. After miraculously escaping and rejoining his unit, they came
> under attack again, and he again fought with superhuman strength, killing
> dozens of enemy soldiers and throwing back grenades they had tossed into
> their midst, until finally one landed that he could not reach in time, and
> he threw himself on it to save his comrades. Obviously, this is not the
> case
> for the majority of soldiers, but for some it is. As I was trying to point
> out, perhaps ineefectively, Jin-Tae had already been established as an
> exceptionally brave and skilled soldier, so in my mind, it wasn't far
> fetched at all that he should find it in within himself to sacrifice his
> life that way, or that he should be able to take down a few dozen enemy
> soldiers in the process. After all, he did die, rather, than miraculously
> wiping out the entire enemy force and limping back home to live happily
> ever
> after with his brother. Not only does he die, but he dies rather
> ingloriously. That may seem antithetical, given the mood of the scene in
> the
> film, but think about it; his brother doesn't know what he did. No-one
> knows
> what he did. He doesn't get any medals, he doesn't get a memorial
> ceremony,
> he doesn't even get a funeral: his body just sits in the mud and decays
> until someone digs it up 50 years later. Some end for a hero.
>
> Given that, I really don't have a problem with that sort of scene, that
> sort
> of death for a main character, as long as it actually serves a purpose,
> makes sense, and is well/tastefully done. When it's tacked on just to be
> cool, or to fit some 'hollywood rule', then it's stupid. I suppose you
> could
> see this that way, but I don't really see how, personally. At any rate, I
> appreciate your even and well-worded response.
>
>
>
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