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( ¨Ó·½¡G·¹¥j°l·¥@¬É¾ú¥v½×¾Â ) "Nickel" <nickel_deja@yahoo.com.hk> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:465302cc$1@127.0.0.1... > »´äªº±Ð¬ì®Ñ¦n¹³¨S¦³´£°_¹L³oÓ¤H, ¥H¤@¼Ä´X¦Ê - > > Maj. John Robert Osborn > > http://imdb.com/title/tt0386064/board/thread/64340965?d=67001046&p=1#67001046 > > I understand your point, probably because you phrased it far more > eloquently > than the OP. I agree to an extent, but personally, at least in this case, > I > found the scene to be more... emotional than contrived. The other thing I > found was that this movie, for the most part, did a very good job of > showing > how people 'really die' in war, that is, suddenly, messily, and > tragically. > For the most part. The thing is that often times, individuals do make last > stands of that kind, in which they are able to kill or wound a truly > unbelievable number of enemy soldiers single handedly, and quite often > they > die in the act. For instance, in the Korean War there was an American > soldier (Cpl. Tibor Rubin) who did this exact thing several times, on one > occasion singlehandedly holding a hill with a machine gun against an > entire > comany (150-200) of enemy soldiers for 24 hours without reinforcement, > eventually forcing them to retreat. He survived, but there are countless > examples of the opposite, such as a soldier in world war two in the battle > of Hong Kong (Sgt.Maj. John Robert Osborn) who, also using a machine gun, > allowed his unit to retreat while holding off several hundred japanese > soldiers. After miraculously escaping and rejoining his unit, they came > under attack again, and he again fought with superhuman strength, killing > dozens of enemy soldiers and throwing back grenades they had tossed into > their midst, until finally one landed that he could not reach in time, and > he threw himself on it to save his comrades. Obviously, this is not the > case > for the majority of soldiers, but for some it is. As I was trying to point > out, perhaps ineefectively, Jin-Tae had already been established as an > exceptionally brave and skilled soldier, so in my mind, it wasn't far > fetched at all that he should find it in within himself to sacrifice his > life that way, or that he should be able to take down a few dozen enemy > soldiers in the process. After all, he did die, rather, than miraculously > wiping out the entire enemy force and limping back home to live happily > ever > after with his brother. Not only does he die, but he dies rather > ingloriously. That may seem antithetical, given the mood of the scene in > the > film, but think about it; his brother doesn't know what he did. No-one > knows > what he did. He doesn't get any medals, he doesn't get a memorial > ceremony, > he doesn't even get a funeral: his body just sits in the mud and decays > until someone digs it up 50 years later. Some end for a hero. > > Given that, I really don't have a problem with that sort of scene, that > sort > of death for a main character, as long as it actually serves a purpose, > makes sense, and is well/tastefully done. When it's tacked on just to be > cool, or to fit some 'hollywood rule', then it's stupid. I suppose you > could > see this that way, but I don't really see how, personally. At any rate, I > appreciate your even and well-worded response. > > > |
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